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    The Shenanigans of the Greek Astrological Community - Thomas Gazis' "dismissal"

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    The Shenanigans of the Greek Astrological Community - Thomas Gazis' "dismissal"

    Δημοσίευση από Site Admin Την / Το Κυρ Δεκ 12, 2010 3:06 pm

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    After certain mutual explanations given between - on the one hand - Thomas Gazis and - on the other hand - Evita Zachariadou, Vasia Konti, Mary Galanou and Yianis Rizopoulos, the above persons declare that any difference between them has been the product of misunderstanding and none of the two parties denies the honesty and morals of the other.

    In this context, I would like to stress the fact that the condemnatory to me resolution (dismissing me from the committee) voted on June 17, 2009 by Zachariadou, Konti, Galanou and Rizopoulos - members then of the "temporary seven-member committee" formed to pave the way for the creation of a democratic Greek Astrological Federation - is not valid. The content of this resolution has been a product of misunderstanding and does not hold true at all!

    In the aforementioned committee (which was elected by the 32 Greek astrologers that were present in the 15 May 2009 meeting - Pericles Karaminas and Christos Paizes among them) I worked very hard - probablly more than any other member - and I was ABSOLUTELY CO-OPERATIVE, believing that we were about to create a non "controled", democratic Greek Astrological Association. For unclear reasons though, some other members of the committee did not seem eager to achieve such a goal and soon after my dismissal this committee was "silently" dissolved by them!

    Thomas Gazis



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    Απ: The Shenanigans of the Greek Astrological Community - Thomas Gazis' "dismissal"

    Δημοσίευση από Site Admin Την / Το Σαβ Αυγ 27, 2011 9:01 pm

    Astrologer John Panayiotopoulos denouncing the committee formed in order to pave the way for a formal Greek Astrological Federation!



    "I had the honor of being one of the members of the seven-member committee, which was formed in order to pave the way so that a Greek Astrological Federation could be established. The committee was elected by secret voting, on the occasion of an historical meeting of 32 Greek astrologers, which took place on May 15th, 2009. I alphabetically mention the members of the committee: Galanou Mary, Gazis Thomas, Konti Vasia, Panayiotopoulos Yianis (John), Rizopoulos Yianis, Sotiraki Smaro, Zachariadou Evita.

    A serious health problem presented to me and my forced residence abroad did not allow me to follow all the sessions of this Committee. I communicated to the other members this situation of mine, but they decided to keep me "ad honorem", although I was unable to execute properly any work. I have recently returned to Greece and to my surprise found out - from friends and colleagues - that this crucial committee was actually "dissolved in silence"! It was dissolved soon after my departure abroad, with the members of this committee making no essential effort to accomplish the task they were voted for: to pave the way for the major assembly that would lead to the creation of a Greek Astrological Federation.

    Many critical issues arise here:

    1. The six remaining members of the committee were not competent - or lacked the experience - to carry out such an important assignment, but they discovered this incompetence of theirs only "a posteriori", afterwards?

    2. If any kind of "external factors" intervened - in the name of any third parties interests - and obstructed directly or indirectly the committee's work then why such an intervention was not publicly denounced by the members of the committee?

    3. Why was this committee "dissolved in silence" without any public notice, as if it were a mere private matter? Is this "silent dissolution" reflecting the spirit of the members of the Committee and their general idea on how a Greek Astrological Federation should function?

    4. Why did the members Zachariadou, Konti, Galanou and Rizopoulos feel the need to replace the member of the committee Thomas Gazis (which in my testimony was the member who worked most of all - especially on the Statute of the Federation - and cooperated fully)? The temporary committee had no jurisdiction to dismiss in such a way a member who was legally elected on the May 15th 2009 meeting.

    5. Is it possible that this whole federation initiative was not based on sincere intentions but it was "built" from scratch so as to fail? The May 15th 2009 meeting was attended by many well known to the Greek public astrologers. Most of them had the ability, knowledge and resources to carry out the task of creating a formal Greek Astrological Federation. Is it possible then that these astrologers were in reality reluctant to carry on such a mission because they did not want to lose their "valuable (financially and professionally) time" dedicating it to a purpose that ultimately could deprive them of some of their actual privileges?

    6. If we really care for astrology we have to answer these questions - putting aside our personal differences. A formal Greek Astrological Federation should be the "Holy Grail" for all of us who love astrology, even for those people who approached our art from all walks of life and who are claiming today that they are "madly in love with it!"

    7. With these questions I am not trying to shy away from my own responsibilities, as many people use to do. I am just stressing the fact that we will never manage to establish an Astrological Federation in Greece unless we have good will, unanimity, an objective assessment of the situations and the sincerity to accept the mistakes of the past. Thus, the anonymous posts in various blogs and sites are not very creative and helpful in this direction. Please use your full name and surname and speak up!

    8. If we really want to do something serious in Greece regarding astrology we should be properly organized and united, offering much voluntary work to our common cause and being consistent. Everybody should contribute and the field should be open to all the interested parts, as long as these parts leave behind them their personal differences and "frictions" and put aside for a while their purely individual or "group" interests. All of us we have to value and prioritize the collective interest of the Greek astrologers and astrology, all of us we have to strive in order to draw out of the "gutter" and lift up in Greece the holy, celestial art of Astrology.

    Athens, June 6, 2011

    John Panayiotopoulos"


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    A letter from a wise lady on the Shenanigans of the Greek Astrological Community

    Δημοσίευση από Site Admin Την / Το Δευ Οκτ 10, 2011 9:36 am

    The letter below I received from an (English I think) enlightened lady who lives in Greece. It is a kind of answer to my post "The Shenanigans of the Greek Astrological community". This lady is an excellent astrologer too, as one can tell from the way she writes.

    Thomas Gazis

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    "My heart goes out to you.

    You have been a brave lone soul, fruitlessly labouring in the poisonous pit of vipers that is Greece these days, astrologically.

    You were offering "Precious pearls of Wisdom to simply lowly swine".

    But.... how did you ever imagine they could comprehend you, or astrology? You represent Light, and they are in darkness, and ARE darkness. Didn't you understand?

    They are the blind leading the blind. They cannot see.

    I just spent hours reading all your very well explained history of "astrology" in Greece, and its "practitioners" these past 25 years, and then of the poison from those "colleagues" against you in your attempts to help establish an Astrological Society in Greece.

    I APPLAUD the integrity of the words of the two eloquent supporters who wrote to the "sub-human" ex-colleagues that were blackening your reputation, even slandering you to Mountain Astrologer. It is all a terribly familiar mortal story.

    It seems clear you were (I hope not still are?) locked onto a chronic struggle with the dark-side of Scorpio / Pluto, and surrounded by the filth of mischievous intrigue of negative Pisces/Neptune treachery at its worst, all deepest hell in human affairs, this can indeed drive people insane, but you NEVER seemed able to recognise that you were actually battling fruitlessly against THAT. You seemed to imagine you were dealing with reasonable people. I can't understand why. You are an astrologer. Well,on reflection, of course, I can. It's called Life. We often cannot see the Woods for all the trees.

    Within you (I believe) is undoubtedly 100% positive Scorpio/Pluto energy: by your appearance, and your being an astrologer, and striving to transform / redeem Greece in this field, but, but, alas, the time arose when you were forced to encounter its evil side, externally. As you know, the Pluto energy will annihilate, and the negative Neptune will bring total disintegration of the self....

    ....UNTIL THE ASTROLOGER OPENS HIS EYES, UNDERSTANDS, AND WALKS AWAY.

    Your true integrity and worth is very clear - in your Bio details, and your internet articles and blogs, and your valiant 2000 & 2001 Symposia, these all speak Volumes of your value to society, and the cosmos. Attracting Robert Hand as Guest is no small achievement.

    Believe me, Your honourable and progressive sentiments, and motives, and perfectly high intelligence, do all come out very clearly in everything you write.

    I hope you've now Walked Away in simple transcendence, aloof, from the devil; it was all an illusion anyway, inexpertly handled. There should be no scars, no wounds, no regret. You are light-years ahead of modern Greece.

    Remember this: (it is from the Cosmos to You): It is YOU who IS the successful, productive, serious astrologer of world-class standard, respected in the wider serious international world of astrology, AND OF serious international standards of decency and integrity!!!!! Unlike them!! How they wrote about you the lady in Argentina (Christina?) is enough to take flesh away from bones. BUT IN IT THEY SHOW THEY ARE SUB-HUMAN.

    Keep your mind OFF how modern Greek charlatans pervert astrology, and how the cretinous masses pay them a fortune, DON'T pity them, They deserve all they get!!!

    AND FORGET too those malignant spoilt little princesses of "the committee" - spoilt babies is all they are.

    You can only find fertile soil where it exists. And there is plenty of it outside Greece. THAT is your community. Perhaps Greece has none.

    Don't lament over that. Their time has not come.

    Or perhaps you were blind to seeing the fertile soil that surely is in Greece, in little pockets. I think you went about searching for them in the wrong way. And you should have been silent with all the charlatans and general public.

    Plato said The Greeks Are Always Like Children. Today most of them still are. Not all, but 98%.

    Most of them talk far too much. Humility is unacceptable to their egoistic vanity.

    Most of them strut and posture, proudly. They fight indiscriminately against all their imagined "oppressors" like arrogant peacocks. Most of them screech, bitch, lament, accuse, and scream, in fury.

    They keep their heads in the sand, they blame everyone else for their woes. They refuse to look inward. They refuse to grow up. They never apologise. They never undertake to reform their ideas and behaviour.

    They are not ready to receive Astrology, nor to Hear You.

    BUT AFTER THE COMING ECONOMIC ARMAGEDDON, and loss of all illusions, and loss of pride, and universal deafness to cries of pain, and spiritual deaths, then no doubt more and more will open their eyes in Greece to a profounder reality and way of living. Maybe then you will have a willing public."



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